Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DZRV-FM
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The result was no consensus. Tone 12:27, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
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Simply does not meet either WP:GNG or WP:BROADCAST. Sourcing is only trivial mentions or lists. Current sourcing is the same, in fact, one of the current sources doesn't even mention this station. Onel5969 TT me 10:30, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 10:53, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 10:53, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. The sources here all attest to the existence of a DZRV AM in Manila, and completely fail to even mention the existence of a DZRV-FM in Bayombong at all (and no, Bayombong is not a suburb of Manila, so we can't just presume that it's the same station). We've historically had a massive problem with the creation of fake radio station articles in the Philippines — so the sourcing really has to be on point for a Philippine radio station, and this sourcing is failing to be on point. This is exactly why one of the base notability criteria for radio stations is that their passage of the other notability criteria is supported by reliable sources, and not merely claimed without sources. Bearcat (talk) 19:23, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. The 2011 NTC Listing from PSA (station listed at page 23) and 2019 NTC Listing from FOI (station listed at page 3) state that the station exists. SUPER ASTIG 01:41, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
- The only DZRV that appears anywhere in the 2011 list is the one in Manila, and the 2019 list is a dead link. If what you're trying to prove is that the article was created under the wrong title by accident, and the station exists but has a different call sign than the page title gives, then you'd better say that — but in the one of those two links I can actually read there's absolutely no DZRV-FM in Bayombong appearing on page 23. There is a station listed on this station's frequency on that page, but DZRV is not its call sign. Bearcat (talk) 14:07, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
- @Bearcat: I recently checked those links and they're working. The callsign DZRV in Bayombong, Nueva Vizcaya is in both of those lists and the station really exists. I can't be wrong. In fact, I've browsed the list a few times before to check if it's there. If you fail to see it, then I'll just post screenshots here. SUPER ASTIG 23:25, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
- Well, if you've got screenshots then you'd best bring 'em on, because I checked both links again and am still getting exactly the same as before: the only DZRV in the 2011 list is still an AM station in Manila, not an FM station in Bayombong; the only station which is listed on 90.1 FM in Nueva Vizcaya still does not have the call sign "DZRV"; and the 2019 list is still a dead link that just comes up blank. Bearcat (talk) 23:28, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
- @Bearcat: Here they are. SUPER ASTIG 23:59, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
- File:2011 NTC Listing (Page 23, Nueva Vizcaya).jpg
- File:2011 NTC Listing (Page 23, Nueva Vizcaya) Closeup.jpg
- File:2019 NTC Listing (Page 3).jpg
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- Didja catch that the call sign you highlighted in the 2011 image is not "DZRV", but DWRV? As in, literally making me correct when I said that the call sign listed for 90.1 FM in Nueva Vizcaya was something other than DZRV? And precisely because there's a conflict between the 2011 and 2019 sources, we need additional evidence of which one is actually correct before you get to drop the mic. And also, do you have any sources to confirm that the station in Bayombong actually originates any of its own unique programming, which is another condition that radio stations have to pass to be considered notable, rather than simply relaying the flagship? Bearcat (talk) 00:01, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
- The DWRV FM callsign belongs to the station in Camarines Sur, according to both sources. I believe it's just a typo error in the 2011 Listing. In my case, I'd rather resort to the 2019 Listing, knowing that it's updated. And aside from the other source and the external link found in the article, the other sources I found are this and this. SUPER ASTIG 00:21, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
- Both of which refer to it as DWRV rather than DZRV, thus contradicting your own point...and neither of which confirm, as also required by WP:NMEDIA, that this station (whatever its call sign really is) produces any of its own original programming rather than simply rebroadcasting programming produced by another station. Bearcat (talk) 02:46, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
- The DWRV FM callsign belongs to the station in Camarines Sur, according to both sources. I believe it's just a typo error in the 2011 Listing. In my case, I'd rather resort to the 2019 Listing, knowing that it's updated. And aside from the other source and the external link found in the article, the other sources I found are this and this. SUPER ASTIG 00:21, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
- Didja catch that the call sign you highlighted in the 2011 image is not "DZRV", but DWRV? As in, literally making me correct when I said that the call sign listed for 90.1 FM in Nueva Vizcaya was something other than DZRV? And precisely because there's a conflict between the 2011 and 2019 sources, we need additional evidence of which one is actually correct before you get to drop the mic. And also, do you have any sources to confirm that the station in Bayombong actually originates any of its own unique programming, which is another condition that radio stations have to pass to be considered notable, rather than simply relaying the flagship? Bearcat (talk) 00:01, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
- Well, if you've got screenshots then you'd best bring 'em on, because I checked both links again and am still getting exactly the same as before: the only DZRV in the 2011 list is still an AM station in Manila, not an FM station in Bayombong; the only station which is listed on 90.1 FM in Nueva Vizcaya still does not have the call sign "DZRV"; and the 2019 list is still a dead link that just comes up blank. Bearcat (talk) 23:28, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
- @Bearcat: I recently checked those links and they're working. The callsign DZRV in Bayombong, Nueva Vizcaya is in both of those lists and the station really exists. I can't be wrong. In fact, I've browsed the list a few times before to check if it's there. If you fail to see it, then I'll just post screenshots here. SUPER ASTIG 23:25, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
- The only DZRV that appears anywhere in the 2011 list is the one in Manila, and the 2019 list is a dead link. If what you're trying to prove is that the article was created under the wrong title by accident, and the station exists but has a different call sign than the page title gives, then you'd better say that — but in the one of those two links I can actually read there's absolutely no DZRV-FM in Bayombong appearing on page 23. There is a station listed on this station's frequency on that page, but DZRV is not its call sign. Bearcat (talk) 14:07, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Comment. Here are some books confirming the title as DZRV: [1], [2].4meter4 (talk) 05:31, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
- Both of those books still list "DWRV Bayombong" as a separate thing from a DZRV that isn't in Bayombong. And neither of them answer the outstanding "does this station actually create any of its own programming, as opposed to just relaying programming that originates with another station" question either. Bearcat (talk) 16:29, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 23:28, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 23:28, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:53, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:53, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
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